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PostSubject: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 07:54

.... Dutch ups the ante!

Dutchware have just brought out an even lighter Dyneema webbing,
https://dutchwaregear.com/product/spider-web-1-5-straps-and-huggers/

1.5g per foot!!
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 13:11

I have Dutchs Kevlar straps. Like ribbons! The pair is less then a quarter the weight and size of one conventional strap!
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 17:17

I have the 2g per foot stuff, less than 50g for two twelve foot straps.
Still sorely tempted... 36g total for suspension would confer bragging rights. afro
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 18:50

I like that 1.5 tape could be tempted for that.
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 20:21

I feel a group buy coming on...
https://dutchwaregear.com/product/spider-web-1-5-10-feet/
US$1.50 per foot (plus shipping and all the import shenanigans)
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 20:37

Now that sounds good.....
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 21:57

Damn you Dutch! You mean I no longer have the lightest straps! The man just keeps pushing the boundaries.
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 22:08

Nope I guess I still may have the bragging rights 20g including Dutch clips....

https://i.servimg.com/u/f91/19/93/45/68/20180610.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 23:24

How long are they?
What they made from.... Helium??!
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Wed 27 Jun 2018, 23:27

Woah-woah, hang on, are you pulling my plonker?
Dutch clips weigh 16.24 g on their own!!
https://dutchwaregear.com/product/titanium-dutch-clips/
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Thu 28 Jun 2018, 00:52

Calibrated scales twice. I shall check again tomorrow and weigh with and without clips....
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Thu 28 Jun 2018, 05:56

Are you weighing one, or both straps?
Just read the Dutchware description again, Dutch clips weigh in at 7.5g each (the sew-on bein weighs over 9g).
So, if you are only weighing one strap, with its clip,
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That leaves 12.5g for the webbing.
Let's say you have 10ft of webbing, that would be 1.25g per foot! That would be remarkable.

Of course, one way of lightening things is to use shorter straps, but that can be a bit limiting.
Or instead of strap all the way to the hammock, you could use a whoopie sling, but they weigh more than 2g per foot, so no savings there. If you use a single strand of 2.5mm dyneema, then that is a bit lighter (1.6g/ft).
That is what I do here,

That's 45g for two straps, totalling 2 x 12ft, each strap is 6ft of 1" dyneema webbing and a 6ft dogbone of 2.5mm hollow braid dyneema.
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Thu 28 Jun 2018, 10:14

There was something under the scales throwing it off! Lol.

21 gram for both straps, 5 foot long and 15 for clips. Total 36 gram.
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Thu 28 Jun 2018, 12:09

thumb up
So what are they? Kevlar 2.2?
5 foot is quite short, I take it you are using them with some other suspension, whoopie slings?
Or do you hang from skinny trees, close together? ROFL Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Thu 28 Jun 2018, 21:17

Yeah, they are a bit short. Only use in woods locally when I know the trees! Have whoopies on the hammock and with double ended straps gone round huge trees with ease.

Most of time these are in my little daybag with my pocket edc hammock. Whole system is very compact.
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Fri 29 Jun 2018, 09:11

To give you an idea of the costs involved in a group buy...
If I got 60 feet, that would be US$104.50 shipped, below the import duty rate, just VAT and handling charge.
So, that would be £79.65 x 1.2 = £95.58 plus £12 handling charge Evil or Very Mad = £107.58
That would work out at £1.80 per foot.

If I got ambitious, and push the order up to just under the duty limit (£135), I could get 100ft, that would come to £125.31 shipped (a bit of a margin for exchange rate vagaries).
So, that would be £125.31 x 1.2 = £150.38 plus £12 handling charge Sad = £162.38
That would work out at £1.64 per foot.

(You would have to add onto that cost, the cost of me posting it to you. But that wouldn't be very much)
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Fri 29 Jun 2018, 16:50

I could be interested in 30 foot of this. Now I know this is lighter then whoopies I feel a redesign coming!
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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Fri 29 Jun 2018, 17:15

You need to be aware it doesn't play nicely with buckles, but here are some other options.

Initial tests (from last year)
Short on buckles ATM. Only have Adutchable Buckles here, threaded on very easily, was a bit worried it might slip, but found a way to add an extra turn to make it super secure (didn't hang from them tho').
Loop Aliens
These are my go-to suspension, got them on all the CLs on my various hammocks. Both types threaded easily enough and held with three turns around the back,


Becket Hitch
Hitched onto a 7/64" (2.5mm) Amsteel CL
The plain weave held fine,

but the twill weave slipped consistently when I sat down, slipped slowly through, creating fair heat by friction. A double Becket hitch fixed it.


MSH and Toggle
Both types held fine with the MSH (onto Hammock CL),


forgive the rather agricultural toggles, it's not a system I use generally.

I use the 2.0 with Loop Aliens exclusively now. A work colleague uses Becket Hitch with his.


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PostSubject: Re: Just When You Thought You Had The Lightest Suspension....   Fri 29 Jun 2018, 17:39

I'd probably marlin spike it!
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